Tuesday, January 24, 2006

This Bud's for You.

Most of you know the slogan I'm talking about because, like me, you are victims of a non-stop barrage of advertising that began just around the time you were able to cognitively process audio and visual information with a minimal degree of comprehension. This is why, if you don't drink and grew up in America, you are very unique if you did not, for a femtosecond, consider what you could've been doing on your 21st birthday. While there may never have been an outright longing in your heart for alcohol, you have at a minimum laughed at a beer commercial. And that's all they need you to do. Laughing creates a positive psychological/emotional experience and its correlation with the advertisement eventually leads to a belief in causation.

This is why a lot of us, for instance, will actually consider Geico ("Omg, like, I love those commercials!") for car insurance if/when we get our own vehicles. We laugh at the ads and end up remembering that we may save upto 15%. Even if we don't remember the 15%, we will likely go for Geico just because of the ads. Ultimately, if those coverage plans are bad, we won't buy them - but the advertising is what made us think of them first. And that's what most of advertising really is: planting/seeding the future customer base.

But the point is not to view this as advertising, but for what it really is: da'wa. There are only two directions that da'wa can proceed: either you are carrying it out or it's being carried out on you. How do you know which one is going on? Well, if you're not doing it actively, then someone else is doing it to you. Like me on you, right now. Yup.

The difference with advertising, though, is that the da'wa is engineered by a team of psychologists and investors. It's for this reason that I am just appalled at the percentage of women that fall for typical advertising and don't see how their physiques are only a centuries-old marketing tool for the unscrupulous. Let's examine this ad, for instance:



If you can't tell already, this is an ad by "bebe," yes, the salacious women posing at bus stop shelter inserts. I have to thank them for this one being less nasty, overall, though. The ones at the bus stops are just wretched, bizarre, and uncalled for. Clearly, they are seeding a consumer base with those ads because typical bus riders are unlikely bebe enthusiasts, to say the least.

Anyways, look at the woman: tan, she's made up, her hair's done, high cheekbones, distinct jawline, she's thin, slightly curvy, arms/shoulders back (to improve chest visibility), hands placed - on purpose - framing the hips; although wearing an affordable-looking and simple outfit, she is clearly evoking a runway with the dark background and lighting scheme - you can almost picture parallel rows of people taking notes and examining her on either side of the catwalk - flashbulbs going off everywhere.

If you're among the majority of men, this ad is another hot woman and you wouldn't mind ending up with someone like that. (It might even lead you to seek women like that.) If you're a woman, there's more nuance to your reaction: some will say she's cute and appreciate certain aspects of the fashion, you have been duped; others will wish they could look like that, you have been bought; and a small percentage will feel bad for what she represents - the continued denigration of women for the sake of economic gain. Nobody at bebe, after all, cares how you feel - they just want you to buy their clothing and to do so they have to create an image that is internalized...even just by driving past a bus shelter.

But that's not all, look at the text: "dress up denim," "steal the spotlight," "sparkle & shimmer." Essentially, this ad is a textual/visual guide to becoming the center of attention and if you don't see that this was the goal of the designers of the ad, then you are stupid or not forcing yourself to think. Even look to the low placement of the text, emphasizing that the angle of the shot is "looking up" to this model, as she, ostensibly, with her chin up and lowered eyelids, looks down her nose at you. These images are clearly designed to project superiority of the one who embodies the image.

(Incidentally, these slogans and imagery are almost exactly opposed to ayat in the Qur'an which warn women not to draw attention to themsleves and not to make a 'dazzling display' like the Days of Ignorance. They also negate the command upon believing men and women to lower their gaze. They also promote judging by appearance, also forbidden - not just in the deen, but in common courtesy.)

Some of you think I'm extreme because there's nothing wrong with her looking cute, for instance - it is clothing, after all, right? You must have humans in order to sell clothing, right? Sure, you do; but who determines the image that's projected?

And that is the trickiest part: somewhere along the way, and I don't know where, the woman begins to think that what is sold to her is actually not that big a deal. She may not feel she has to look like that, but she no longer frames the image in the context of it having been sold to her. And that's really the first step toward internalizing the image as acceptable. If you believe this is foreign and unnatural, you will be on guard - but once you take it as dominant culture and acceptable, you will spiral precipitously down an endless abyss of obsession with the outward. (Read this incoherent diatribe by a Muslim Arab woman in London railing against hijab - especially the fashion references in the final column. She is clearly oblivious to the fact that she hates dressing according to Islam because she wishes to follow popular trends.)

Am I telling women what to wear? No. I don't need to because if they're interested in keeping away from exploitation in all its forms, they can figure it out for themselves. What I am telling women is to recognize how the image they have of themselves has more to do with a violent psychological and emotional campaign that is making da'wa upon the hearts and minds of men and women, than it has to do with anything natural. As soon as you find something that is praiseworthy in a display like the above ad, you have let down your defense to an onslaught.

Even putting aside how a woman processes this da'wa, what about the models, actresses, and celebrities whose lives have become centered around their ability to market their bodies? Don't we feel bad for their exploitation? Why isn't that prostitution? By definition, it is:

I could take this tangentially ad nauseam, but I will suffice it to say that Islamically damaging da'wa is everywhere and unless you (especially women - future teachers of Islam) are aware of it, you will no sooner have it pointed out to you than you will believe it is ineffectual, despite being engulfed in its effects. (Just like some of you reading, thinking this post is a bit too theoretical, and that your personal Islam is independent of such influences.)

32 Comments:

Blogger Samira said...

I must say, it is fascinating to see how this post contrasts with your poem, Insurmountably Unattainable.

11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

though at times I am admittedly prone to buying into Western ideals of "cuteness" - this chick is not cute, nor chic!

is there a readable link you could post to the article?

1:39 PM  
Blogger MH said...

Masha'Allah. Very well said and written. JAK.

3:34 PM  
Blogger Ayah said...

I liked this post, it was very well-written, and tackles a point that women who live in the West try to ignore. Well done. Too many people buy into the ideologies of "not thin enough", "not cute enough", or "not sexy enough"; I have to admit, I, myself, have fallen to the guiles of Western advertising. While living in this world, it takes one's concious, unrelenting efforts to eschew such images and ideas. It takes a huge amount of self-esteem and self-confidence to block out these images, and, as you said, very few people see an ad such as the one for bebe and scrutinize it for its exploitation of women. Instead, a girl walking down Washington will see that and scrutinize the model for being airbrushed or something to that effect, projecting the insecurities that the media has engrained in the girl's mind onto that model. I'm glad you brought up this issue. It was really well-addressed.

3:56 PM  
Blogger Ayah said...

Sorry to take up more space, everyone, but I just read the article that was linked in this post and I was seriously apalled by that lady. Sure, making a girl wear hijab at age 8 is pretty strict, but is the solution to let her bare her midriff and pierce her bellybutton? Come on!

4:08 PM  
Blogger Wanksta said...

ayah - really great point about how criticism of other women can actually be a projection of media-fed insecurity on part of the person criticizing. this also exists in men, to a smaller extent - but it definitely feeds into the socialization of women, compared to guys. a lot of reality show participants talk about this afterwards: how producers try to spark cattiness between women just for 'good television.' as for that crazy lady in the article, i feel bad for her poor daughter being taught the deen by a mom who's that confused!

mus'ab: JAKs to you as well.

anonymous (3:39pm): which article - the jpeg?

samira: yeah, i'm totally sour now.

9:45 PM  
Blogger Nandita said...

Asalaamu Alaikum,

This is probably the best one yet so Mash'Allah.

Advertisements such as the one you posted have this way of getting underneath people's skins, regardless of genders. Guys (and NOT all!) want a girl of that 'caliber', not thinking about a girl and her choice to wear hijab and deen that comes with wearing that. Girls want to get guys therefore they follow this "no-fail" formula and think that it will land them the best one yet. I guess both sides need to work together in a way, and the way commerical western influences has made themselves so household- its like as you said, as though nothing is wrong. That makes it such a bigger problem these days.

I actually find this amusing and true, but I always believed that it seems these days that women seem to dress for other women, not men.

For the most part I have studied it and found it true.

Regardless, once again Mash'Allah and thanks.

9:46 PM  
Blogger Nandita said...

sorry clarification, by no fail formula I mean one probably suggested by the ad companies and of that advertisement.
Salaams

9:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Salam,

Mashaa Allah. Right on with your post. While I do appreciate and agree with what you have written, I feel compelled to comment on a picture that you have linked to your facebook profile. You have a picture of a woman wearing niqaab that I think, serves a similar psychological effect of that of the woman in the bebe advertisement. Examine her a little closer you see she has: perfectly sculpted eyebrows, nice skin, and beautiful eyes. Now look even closer, you see eyeshadow and a highlighted brow bone which are both techniques used to enhance the beauty of the eye. As you said in your post, the same can be said here; the majority of men will think she is beautiful and women will think she is cute and they may even want to look like her. Obviously, the intention of this advertisement is not to sell clothes, make-up, etc. since it is on the cover of a lecture on CD. To be honest, when I first saw it, it took me several seconds to notice it was a CD cover because I was distracted by her. (I do recognize that it is not even close to being as extreme as the bebe advertisement). I guess I am wondering what purpose, other than providing for an attractive cover, does the woman have on this CD? Like bebe is just trying to sell clothes, is this just a way to sell a CD? Do not get me wrong. I am no way speculating on the intention of the designer of the cover, it is just a thought. JAK.

5:55 AM  
Blogger Samira said...

Along the lines of DW, I also feel that some underlying concept has yet to be explored. I don't know what it is, but I know it's absent.

Your point that women (and men) should not conform to society's unislamic da'waa (however blatant or subtle) is absolutely right. However, the human being is a physical being in addition to a spiritual one. We appear before other people--and how we appear and why we choose a particular kind of appearance is what your post discusses. But every hijabi and even niqabi (without implying rank/order) knows that we have to choose how we appear when not in a public scene. This is a huge issue, I think, that often goes as far as to threaten sisterhood within communities, because it focuses on a more pure form of self-concept and the depths of modesty. For instance, is it okay for a hijabi to dress as the model when not in the presence of nonmahram men? Or is it just as bad--is the lack of modesty of dress independent of environment? Is it as unacceptable to look "cute" when no one's watching, or is it some kind of intrinsic, morality issue? An example of this can be found at almost any gathering of desi women; They don't hesitate to believe that even though the most of them do not wear hijab, they are somehow better than "the arab women" who (and the nature of this is all obviously stereotypical) do niqab and dress in abayaas but (again, extremely overgeneralizing) dress quite oppositely in private. Desi women see themselves as at least being consistent, therefore, being more modest. I'm not sure I understand this construction nor would I agree with it for obvious reasons, but it is an example that illustrates the struggle of the woman and her self-concept in relation to modesty.

In the end, every individual has to decide how to define themselves for themselves, rt? This is why I think the core of this issue seems yet to be addressed--although I'm still not sure what that missing component is.

10:11 AM  
Blogger Samira said...

Wait--I think that "missing component" has something to do with our appearances--the physical definitions we set for our selves--as we appear before Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta Aala, rather than self-perception/concept. If we consider ourselves as always appearing before Allah, we may deal with this modesty issue better. However, that still leaves the question, "What am I going to wear?" which inevitably must be answered by leaning towards some brand of clothing. Thus advertising comes back into the picture, along with it's unnecessary evils.

10:33 AM  
Blogger Wanksta said...

Let me just say that I'm really psyched about DW being on this comment posting. I really think DWDuck, Goof Troop, Duck Tales, etc. represent the pinnacle of afterschool cartoon programming.

As for what DW mentioned: You are exactly right on. What that image proves is that the act of women covering themselves does not necessarily engender a lack of exploitation. Exploitation is part of a societal attitude and it is related, in part, to what women wear and are told to wear, but proper clothing is not a necessary cause of proper treatment.

Although, like you said, to be fair and give benefit of the doubt to those involved in that production, I think, considering the title "Unveiling Ignorance," that her image is indeed supposed to be beautiful and behind a veil - like Islam and the veil of ignorance. Is it right to use a permissibly exposed amount of female physical features to draw attention to an item that is being sold? Not sure. An equivalent could be a Muslim fitness magazine that could show off a ripped, mountain-climbing brother on the cover, or something, although covered between navel and knees. That's allowed, yes, but is it sensational? Maybe. I tend to side with whatever protects women, though, since they are more inherently given to exploitation.

12:54 PM  
Blogger Wanksta said...

I think Samira's comment raises the greater issue of the internalized concept of modesty in Islam. So desi women, for instance, have a culturally ingrained modesty that fails to manifest as outward hijab. That's related, in large part, to poor education and cultural practices.

On the other hand, Arab culture is more Westernized, but has a lot of outward covering and private Western fashion (in addition to public). It's technically more legal than the desis since that private fashion is not being shown to anyone, but it begs the question of whether the outward hijab is just a dam holding back floodwaters of internal inconsistency. So in obeying the letter of the law, does it lose the spirit, is the question.

We often see this when, say, foreign raised Muslim men from repressive countries come to America and "go nuts." Or women covered in their home country for cultural reasons, but came to the West and took it off. The opening scene in Iran from Syriana encapsulates this.

This is a dichotomy that a sister I know commented on after attending a Muslim wedding once. She discussed how the rules of modesty were forgotten among all the girls, just because there were no men on the girls' side and during the dancing, etc. This is a segue to the very unexplored concept of intragender 'awra. Since we're in a world where we're so worried about striving to keep intergender appearances in proper confines, I think intragender image is forgotten, though it exists. Most men and women probably don't explore that too much, though.

('Awra even exists in private, which is why we seek refuge in Allah from shaytan when changing clothes in private.)

1:20 PM  
Blogger rima said...

salams bhai,

i don't have time to read all these comments right now so forgive me if what i say proves redundant.

i just wanted to say that, firstly, darkwing duck is awesome. his real name was drake mallard. also awesome. but i digress.

i don't know if your last paragraph (in the last comment) refers to something i said to you, since i don't remember if i said it to you. however i do feel very strongly about intragender awra/hijab/hayaa/modesty, etc. i think i had a discussion of this on monday with a sister. i don't know what it is in women that gets them so excited about dressing up in publicly immodest clothing when in private. it has been suggested that they do it because it makes them feel pretty, which they like. i think that, if true, is an extension of what you were saying in your entry.

i think maybe women (and possibly men) when reading in their fiqh manuals that the awra for the same gender is navel to knee, just stop at that. they don't go on to read the rest of it, which indicates that even showing anything other than that should be necessity-based. as one shaykh put it, what should typically be seen of her should be no more than what she shows while doing housework (which people can interpret differently, but i think he meant loose fitting clothing, maybe an arm portion showing, and the hair and neck).

the other issue i have is that people do not understand the gravity of seeing another's awra, or of their awra being seen. if they did, they would be dressing the way they should.

and my last comment is (though i think you already said it, so i'm just reiterating) that one can dress modestly but be immodest. and vice versa. the whole inner/outer hayaa issue.

that's all.

salams

8:59 AM  
Blogger rima said...

p.s. i still hold to my favorite saying: if you can't pray in it, don't wear it.

9:02 AM  
Blogger Samira said...

Rima:

Ever?

I guess I admire sisters who can accept the idea of "feeling pretty" without ever being tempted to wear make-up and dress up for herself. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and yet most women (Muslim and non-) have moments where they feel that a)they need to feel beautiful and b)they change aspects of their appearance in some way or other in order to see a beautiful reflection (i.e. a reflection that to herself is extraordinary in comparison to her normal state of being). And somehow it affects her self-esteem. Theoretically, we should all (irrespective of gender) feel ok with ourselves based on higher values than mundane ones like appearances, but most of us are not at that level, or even close.

So I suppose reading Taqee's post should open up the door (to some extent) for each of us to get closer to attaining this ideal state of "being okay."

1:43 PM  
Blogger Wanksta said...

Salams bhabi,

1) As always, the blogosphere is blessed with a certain je ne sais quoi upon your commentary, so JAKs 'o plenty for that.

2) I think we've had the intragender 'awra discussion before. It's definitely, as you explained further, read too much by people as the functional limits of everyday 'awra, rather than the extreme, only-if-seriously-needed limits.

3) People need to remember that the Arabic word 'awra literally indicates nakedness, and this is Allah's domain to define, not ours. Popular definitions of the day limit nakedness to a vastly different area and this affects our personal abilities to view Allah's definition of nakedness in the correct light.

4) I think your postscripted saying, which I, too, have used on occasion, is valid for sure in the public sphere. Obviously, as you delineated regarding the private sphere, there are various acceptable states of dress which, at the same time, cannot be prayed in. But you probably post-scripted bearing your previous explanation of that in mind.

5) Masdar is not jadhr.

5:24 PM  
Blogger rima said...

salams,

regarding point 5, jadhr literally means root, as in the root of the tree. people use this to also mean the root of a word, which technically is probably ok. however this seems to be a more modern use or at least not so mainstream (for the arabs). but, we can agree to disagree.

regarding samira's comment as well as point 4, to reiterate: not "ever" but just not around non-mahram males. a recent conversation with a sister highlighted the absurd hilarity of hijabi sisters scurrying to put on "prayer clothes" for jama'a prayer in al-madinah. i shouldn't poke at just the hijabi sisters, though... but that is for another time.

what i wanted to express about the "feeling pretty" thing is that i think it has a lot to do with what taqee bhai said in his post. society, or the media, sets the standards of what is attractive, what is "pretty." if you had never seen a movie, tv show, magazine or the like, how would you know what "pretty" is? is there some internal, inherent definition? maybe this concept wouldn't even exist in your mind; you wouldn't give it a second thought.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say. so, somebody has to set the standard.

i think there are two aspects to a girl's wanting to feel pretty. one is the feeling of being pretty, looking pretty, and being pleased with one's appearance. the other, in my view, is a consequence of that, which is feeling desired.

of course, we do find in nature (all over the place, really) that animals use various ways to attract a mate, outward appearance being a common one.

at some point along the way it'll come down to intentions. i challenge everyone out there to examine their intentions when they're gussying up - who are you really doing it for?

to clarify, i'm not saying there's anything wrong with beautifying, but there certainly are halal ways of doing it.

but now i really am digressing.

3:06 PM  
Blogger Samira said...

Comment 19?! Wow...

Anyway, I'll let this be my last comment for this post.

Rima:

I agree with your point regarding intentions--it's true. However, I think it is speculation that if someone had never seen a movie, tv show, magazine or the like, they would not know what "pretty" is, and further, that they wouldn't seek feeling desired. We wouldn't really know without actually finding someone who meets the conditions you described and assessing their understanding of feeling "pretty," i.e. their definition of what is desirable, and whether or not it is an innate tendency for women to seek feeling desired.

Consider this: In every culture, you will see little girls (as young as age 3 or 4) who will try to dress up like brides of their culture. Women look most beautiful (in comparison to themselves at all other points of their lives) at their weddings. Little girls doing this would lead us to believing that there (perhaps) is an innate desire to feel pretty, and that it may not necessarily have anything at all to do with unislamic intentions. The definition of pretty, however, seems to be influenced by environment, as has been claimed. But the desire itself--its existence/origins--may not be as a result of environment.

But your point makes sense: We ought to look at the intentions underlying how we express our tendency (innate or synthesized as a result of environment) for feeling desired, and how it is influenced (which is what the actual post discusses).

No more. Sorry guys, I couldn't help myself.

9:27 PM  
Blogger rima said...

salams,

i dunno, it sounds like justification to me. in any case, it's all relative.

i would say... seeking to feel desired is probably innate. but the definition of what is pretty is fluid and constantly changing. at the time of the prophet (saw) a gap in one's teeth was considered attractive and was sought after, yet these days it is undesirable.

as for the little girls... well, they are silly. and they only do that because of the culture that engulfs them. women look most beautiful at their weddings? well, they certainly try. but don't get me started on that whole thing (w/the little girls). i actually find it rather irritating that a great part of a girl's life may be spent fantasizing about her dream man and her dream wedding, down to all the most minute details. what a waste of time. but, again, it is society and culture that encourages that.

marriage, by the way, is merely the means to an end - not the end itself.

digression, sigh!

p.s. speaking of fluid definitions, it has been said that men decide what constitutes hijab for women. e.g. if men find a woman's right pinky to be extremely attractive and alluring, then a woman should conceal said pinky. food for thought.

12:00 AM  
Blogger Wanksta said...

Salams,

As for bhabi's PS, I would like to know where 'it has been said' as such, not that I'm challenging its veracity, but only because I haven't literally heard that reference regarding the 'right pinky.'

I think there is an upper limit to what a woman should be expected to have to do because of the various inclinations and diseases that men manifest. That limit is clarified in the shari'a as the expression of holistic hayaa (behavioral and physical)as prescribed by Qur'an and Sunnah. (As is prescribed, together, with men.)

The question to me is how far does it have to go before we reciprocally demand good conduct of men? If, for instance, a woman's 'pinky finger' is desirable to me, I think I should have to deal with that. There is only so much one can ask women to do because of the inclinations of man - where, then, is man's responsibility? (For those sisters who have encountered sexual harassment in Muslim countries while fully covered, I think you know what I mean.)

1:13 PM  
Blogger rima said...

um. i made the pinky finger thing up. that was the e.g. part.

:)

10:01 PM  
Blogger Dorrie said...

i am not muslim. however, i am not non compis mentis so can understand the reasoning behind the idea of modesty and showing devotion in the symbolic way of dressing that is "covering". the other day (dec 14, 2009) while i was shopping at the mall i saw a young woman dressed in what could be called "traditional muslim" clothing, that is, covering, a headscarf wrapped to cover everything but her face, a smooth dark long coat with long sleeves to the wrist and a long dress coming from under the coat to her ankles, all the outer clothing in dark hues. however, the skirk was split up the front to the knee level and from under the skirt came some very diaphanous and gauzey gathered red fabric which, when she walked, the fabric was kicked by her feet and created a very visually "provocative" movement something like perhaps sea anemones pulsating and flowing under the ocean. Yes this was visually very beautiful to watch and i don't think the onus falls upon the viewer not to notice such a visually attractive sight. Surely in this day and age when women and girls are regarded as equal human beings the right to be responsible for your actions must be given to women also. So i am wondering, if the whole motivation of "covering" is as I have heard to draw the other's gaze away from your physical body and to compel them to contemplate the beauty of your soul, i think, alas, that the red flowing fabric pulsating from under the skirt is in contradiction to the idea of covering. In fact, this young womans garb was calling upon the viewer to look at her garb and to contemplate it's physical presence and the action of the physical body. What do you think? Wouldn't it have been more honest just not to wear the traditional "covering" at all? Oh yes, perhaps this young woman was not even muslim, for all I know, maybey she was just someone who wanted to dress that way, and not someone of muslim faith dressing in a certain way because of religious conviction and motivation.

6:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am particularly fascinated by your admonishment of good posture in women because you seem to equate that (shoulders back) with accentuating the breasts...which body parts, breasts, are, of course, most despicable...better to have slump shouldered women than BREASTS pointing all over the place...poor posture for women is much preferred to the "salaciousness" of visible breasts, even those that are "covered"....

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's interesting how you think this woman in the Bebe advertisement is exploited, when you all follow a doctrine that believes that women are worth half as much as men. I agree that some women are exploited in Western media, but how can you remove the spec in your neighbour's eye when there's a plank in your own? You wear Hijabs on your heads for modesty. However, why is it only necessary for women to wear Hijabs? Aren't men supposed to be equally as modest too? I am as modest as any one of you but I don`t need to wear a Hijab. Did you ever consider that if a man is tempted (sexually) just by seeing your hair that he is the one that has evil desires?

2:09 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Awesome post thank you for sharing. I'm going to link this to my fb profile.

wassalam

4:46 PM  
Blogger Dorrie said...

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"...or "salaciousness" is in the eye of the beholder...this woman has the misfortune to have "high cheek bones"...a SURE SIGN of salaciousness, especially in the EYE of the beholder...this is probably why (St.) Paul had something to say about thinking "lustful" thoughts...in other words, men, take responsibility for your perceptions, and don't act on them a if "high cheek bones" (metaphorically) are percieved a a "come on"...omg, there was a judge in Alberta, Canada, who absolved a man of molesting a four year old girl because he (judge) said the girl was obviously "provocative"...come on....

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Anonymous safavieh said...

whats wrong with that lady?? @the link :/ she is trying to be what she is not.. dying her hair so as to look like 'em.. blonde? lool she made me laugh and i felt sorry for her.. just the way she says that we cant ask anyone to dress up the way we want, we cant ask anyone to undress.. and how on earth does she know that shabina is being brainwashed? i hate this woman, really.. she is illogical.. it is SHE who is trying to brainwash her.. it is shabina's WISH.. she has the right to choose what to wear..

11:21 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Western women & some Muslim women only look at that micro stuff that is convenient for them & deliberately overlook a massive stuff that is inconvenient for them.


Women saying that beauty or vulgarity lies in the eyes of beholder. Then why do these women keep their homes well painted, travel in new attractive cars not the 1980's ugly cars, hate cockroach & lizards, and like diamonds & gewellery. Hence proved that such idiomatic phrases are correct only in a few cases not generally.


Nature has created us (the normal beings) to be attracted to certain appearances, disgust certain appearances & be sexually aroused by some appearances. No parent teaches a boy to be sexually aroused by a naked woman & no parent teaches a girl to be aroused when a male touches her body parts. It's all within us, created by nature. That is why human race is surviving until now & is evolving.


Its by nature that disgusting things are directly or indirectly dirty. If humans liked the disgusting things they would have gone closer to it & would have contracted many diseases due to dirty stuff. Similarly, it is the man's general desire for attractive things individually & collectively, that we have built paradise looking cities with all the amenities one imagines in a heaven.


Similarly if vulgarity lied in the eyes of humans they would have had sex with other animals, same gender, even non living stones & dead bodies bcz it's all in eye as some women here say. That would have resulted in a lot of STD's & very few child births & finally human race would have extincted.


For all animals, scientifically the biggest sex organ is brain which needs stimulus. Being an absolutely open minded male myself, I'll say in brain sex is aroused by

1. Full nudity or erotic costumes push up bras panty 30%
2. man's potency 20%
3. Woman's quality (height, complexion, body curves, symmetric face & body features) 20%
5. Intimacy 10%
6. Penetration 5%
7. Accessories: high heels 3%, Smoky eyes 2%, Nail polish 1%, Makeup to accentuate jawbones cheekbones 1%, fragrance 1%, jewellery 1 %, Sound producing things 'Payal' 'heels' 1%
8. hypocrisy (wearing veil or scarf with nudity) 2%
9. Comfort (good neat place with no risks) 3%



Quran is the final divine book for a reason that it is self explanatory if any confusion, Hadees suffices explanation. In Quran & Hadees there is concept of dress code called hijab not the womanized definition: a piece of head gear.

REFERENCES
"Prophet advised his bulkier wife to wear lose enough clothes so that body curves do not accentute at all".

"Prophit pointed towards hands & face of a girl saying these are the only body parts allowed to be displayed before 'non-mehrams'".

"Prophit was shown a bed sheet like cloth by a companion whos said he wanted to make his wife clothes with that piece of cloth & Prophit advised him to make his wife wear another cloth over it".



Compared to woman "a man is advised by Prophet that he has to cover from navel to knees".


All in all God knows what is sexy for man & has prohibited women from doing it & the media & industry has researched it too & uses it. Just like to excite hunger they show attractive dishes, to stimulate man's sexual desire they show erotic women.

Finally, is God against sex, given that HE himself created it in man & woman? No HE has advised us to use all this sexual energy to strengthen the sacred marriage bond b/w life partners as God advises women to please their hubbies with all those sex acts & references avaiable that say "Sex b/w life partners bring blessings" it is scientifically proven that non promiscuous behavior & early marriages is best for health. God has given you user manual to run your machinery most efficiently.

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Blogger Unknown said...

Since word count was limited in 1 comments I add remaining stuff here.

Some factors are very strongly erotic & others are marginally erotic compared to other big factors. Like I have said in above comment accessories are at max 10 % erotic and a Pink Frock falls in that category for some particular men. Further God has advised women on that as well. Here is reference. Just like high heel, nail polish & other erotic fashions of modern era "there was a fashion in Arab in time of Prophet. Women used to have camel back like hairstyle that depicted pride & eroticism. It was strongly prohibited similarly men of that era were prohibited from wearing clothes extensions falling on feet". Based on Quranic verses above & 'Hadees' wise fiqa scholars came to conclusion that cloth must cover entire woman's body except hands & face, it must not be diaphanous, should not reveal body curves & women should not do makeup or wear any other erotic thing that sexually arouses majority of men.

Regarding the on going discussion. Fiqa people came up with 3 dress codes to be worn by women in front of 3 different sets of people.

1. Least Dress code for hubby
2. Working dress code for Mehrams & other women
3. strict dress code for non-mehram men.

Ok I couldn't find Hadees & Quranic references for these but you guys can search for references.

For Non-Muslim women commenting here saying that "Islam is unfair to women on asking them to cover themselves & their hair, and not asking men to do same. Similarly giving half social status to women". Quranic verse available that says "in society men & women ere equal". BUT "for witnessing & inheriting property women get half status as men". Quran advises "man to marry women 1,2,3,4". Also Hadees says "For a wife husband is next to God" Quran says "Wife must obey her Hubby" But no such commandment for hubby. So apparently lot of unfairness to women but Same Islam is greatly unfair to man also by ordering him to sustain his wife & children. Not advising wife to do so. So unfairness with both genders balances out. As far as immodesty is prohibited for women molestation is strictly prohibited for a man. I am not a girl but God must be wise as touch is perhaps the sexual turn on for women. Women here plz state, just like I have stated turn on for men in 9 points, what is turn on for women. THANK U.

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